Data published by SWLondoner shows that over 53,000 South Africans live in London alone. Wandsworth is the borough with the highest number of South Africans, an estimated 6,000, while Merton reported approximately 3,000 and Lambeth, Kingston and Richmond each reported around 2,000.
How would you all contrast the two? It's much easier to make a comfortable living and opportunities are immense. And an underrated country in terms of history and beauty. And it's awesome for travel and entertainment like concerts. But day to day you wish your life away as the climate is fucking horrible. It's crowded, traffic and commutes are nightmarish and the people are not as friendly. Here is the opposite except for beauty, which is next level.
Its weird for me actually. Financially it makes sense to go back, but to give up my lifestyle here uuuurgghh. Edit: is it long term or short term? But what I will say is that at least for where I live you have to go out of your way to see it and it is not as incorporated in daily life.
Also depends what you appreciate -London has lots of historic beauty and wonderful architecture but I guess its hard to appreciate that on a miserable day sitting on a cramped train. It's got some incredible things. The nhs is probably number 1. Private healthcare is awful, it's like being in the dark ages! The nhs is free and world leading so its just amazing. If you want to go clubbing at 6am. Better driving standards, omg I miss that. Cheaper foodcheaper clothes, cheaper cars.
Better public services, better customer services. Basically everything is like 10 times better and works properly. It's old, cold and settled in it's ways! It's dull, damp and just.
It's people are bitter and angry. It's working class culture, from which I come, is broken and violent. You will be attacked at least once. Born and raised in a rough part of London I've quite literally been assualted, in fights, accosted, beaten up, robbed literally 30+ times. You get roving gangs of chavs who will batter you with a brick for looking at them funny. It's upper class are absurd and perverted. The middle are sort of trapped between the extremes, working endless hours in perpetual darkness to pay for a box flat in a shit hole.
Honestly unless you are super rich, life is pretty harsh there. Hilarious in a weird way. It's good because you can basically get to any location in the country using public transport.
Not a lot of countries offer this option. See below for why it's bad. The reason for this is that many of them pass under the Thames river, and so are built 7 - 8 floors underground.
What South Africans thinking of emigrating to the UK, Australia or Portugal need to know
And these tunnels were built more than 100 years ago, and it would cost a shit tonne of money to widen them etc. This means that if you have Where do most South African live in the UK? catch a train home from work -- well, average commute time is 1 - 1. That adds a lot of 'work time' to your day. I kid you not, it honestly felt like the weather was dull and grey for 90% of the year. Low lying smog + quite cold often hovering around 0C + damp doesn't really rain so much, more just drips.
This was very unlike what I was used to. Also, if you join a gym which will be very expensivebecause of the limited space, the gym will always be rammed.
If it's 0 C outside, and you have your coats on etc. So you are tired, sweating and uncomfortable. So you can spend an hour travelling home, and then another hour if you decide to meet up with a friend, and then another hour back again.
And you are not Where do most South African live in the UK? travelling that far geographically, it's just because of either: i very slow public transport, or ii traffic jams everywhere. It really uses up your personal time. That includes rent, transport, internet, gyms, etc. Not many healthy options when it comes to food. Edit: One more thing I should say - others have commented on it being a rat race and I definitely agree. Apart from there being traffic jams everywhere, and tubes getting absolutely rammed full, in many places, you cannot amble because the flow of pedestrian traffic is basically.
Often, when you exit the tube station - which might have 7 or 8 exits - you can't even see which exit you need to go out of because there are so many people marching and there is no way for you to move, you just have to march with the flow, wherever that Where do most South African live in the UK?
you. To add: in South Africa, things are fairly simple. Much better cost of living, weather etc. Cunts to work with, cunts when they get drunk and cunts to foreigners. Welsh and Scots are nice, if you move there, stick to them.
The church: Good community What I love about Scotland: The people: It's a tribal thing, it's uniquely Scottish. Outdoors: Yeah, it's cold, dark and wet but the summers Where do most South African live in the UK? next level and getting better - but I can walk to the train stations, shops, pub, school, beach, highlands, mates house - Scotland does have great outdoors btw. So the weather is Where do most South African live in the UK? for 6 months, but I'm outdoors more often on a day to day basis.
Class: Sure, there's rich and poor but I don't feel like I live in a bubble, I feel even with everyone and people can get help from the state that actually works when they're down on their luck. Opportunity: My kids have more options p. For weather - Joburg has a gold medal in weather lots of long hot days, wooden spoon in air quality sasolburg, secunda, witbank, pumping coal into the freeze dried at-altitude atmosphere + fires + building dust.
Would recommend the Western Cape rather. Peel back the layers and get deeper into the society and you'll notice that South Africa is much like an onion with horror replacing the layers. Troubling to hear that a diverse rainbow nation of tourism and multiracial culture couldn't manage an expat sufficiently. Ireland was charming and lovely. Anywhere in Engalnd generally besides Brighton was depressing, grimey and generally not great.
The weather is the biggest downer. It creates a pub culture because theres lil to fuck all to do unless you earning big money. And even then theres only so many healthy pleasure you can enjoy on a cramped and gloomy island.
Obviously we way worse, but life there isn't violence free at all. One of the few ups toc living there is you so close to Amsterdam and other awesome cities if you can afford to travel often. The main problems over there are the high cost of living.
You won't have a comparable level of comfort as you do here. That being said my experiences were 1 decades ago Where do most South African live in the UK? when I was varsity age, so we were all living in digs anyway. I had family there so it wasn't like I was alone there. The cold and dark are depressing as hell. If you're any form of beach goer or sun chaser it's going to be tough. I've had my car broken into twice and my hotel room robbed once, my in-laws were the victim of a home invasion recently and robbed of personal electronics.
Personally I'll take burglary over assault. Don't make the mistake of using the exchange rate to calculate anything. That said, the safety change is huge, as is the difference in culture because of it.
What about the gloomy, damp weather appeals to you? Or are you from Seattle? To be fair, at least in the South east it's not that bad. There's enough sunny days to go around during the summer. The thing that gets to most South Africans: days and days of full cloud cover with or without rain. It's not uncommon to get 30-40mm of rain and have clear skies an hour later. Another thing is the cloud cover is this low blanket. You don't actually see any sky.
On the rare occasion that there is any lightning at all, you'll at least see the clouds flashing - no chance of actually seeing a lightning bolt. No properly large rain drops that you can feel impacting your skin. It annoyed me no end to hear South Africans complaining about the weather there. But honestly, after 8 years I was tired of it. I missed the properly hot summers, ominous cumulonimbus clouds, brief but intense thunder storms, the smell before the rain, the smell after.
Anyway, enough about the weather. I'll try to be brief mostly relevant to London and Manchester : The good: - Propery aside I'll come back to thislow cost of living - Decent wages if you're in the right industry - Some variety of grants if you're a family I was single, so I Where do most South African live in the UK?
know the details - Location means travel to most parts of the world is very accessible and affordable. Heathrow has good airline competition to absolutely everywhere. Every place in the world has its knuckledraggers, and the media milked that for all its worth. A great variety, with a great variety of beers and ciders - Cider. No, Strongbow and Magners are not proper ciders. The bad: - Let's talk about medical care.
South Africa's private health care is among the best in the world. Local surgeries work on a catchment area basis, i. This means you can get stuck with a shitty doctor of which there are many. Depending on where you live, getting an appointment to see your doctor can be a long term project. This is expecially true in the highly populated areas.
Everything takes a long time. I waited six months for the scan, then another 4 months to see a phsyio. In the end I went private, out of pocket. That said, if you have an emergency, you'll get seen right away, and you won't end up bankrupt as a result.
Property agents Where do most South African live in the UK? complete rentseekers - it's not clear to me what value they add the process of renting. I've never successfully found a rental through one - I always ended up going with something I found on my own.
Property management companies are shit - every single one I've dealt with. Delivery companies are shit enough for even locals to complain about. Overland trains First Great Western is where I had most experience can be a comprehensive experience is mediocrity. The winters are no fun. It's not super cold, but it's a wet cold. Rain all through, strong wind means more often than not, an umbrella is useless.
The snow isn't the nice powdery kind. It's a horiible sludge that melts soon after hitting the ground. Oh, and it gets dark at 3am - earlier if you live further north. That gets to you after a while. If you live in a city, most of the apartments are convrerted houses. Nice old victorian houses turned into abysmal cramped apartments by landlords who would never live there.
So, aside from the frequently shocking build quality, you also deal with braindead stuff like fittings that don't match, carpets in bathrooms, etc.
Not that there aren't properly built houses and apartments, but they cost more than most can afford. In the space of five short years I've gone from not knowing much of anything about my friends political positions to having a whole bunch of friends who don't talk to each other anymore mercifully, I left just in time. Look, Boris is his own kinda clown, but other than the dishevelled hair and being heads of state, they have just about nothing in common. Overall I had a good time there, but I was never going to stay.
The lack of space, if nothing else, was always going to be an issue. We actually pay more taxes in South Africa. Same marginal top tax rate, but converted directly, we start paying it at a lower income. Let's talk about medical care. I've heard some horror stories from family and friends that live there.
My mother's three bedroom house in the subububs cost less than my flatshare was and I wasn't living it up.
You just hope you never need to use it. I cannot stand the sunny dry days that we experience in the Pacific Northwest.
Cloudy summers are the move. I just like the coziness that cloudy weather provides in addition to the relative tranquility. The people are quality - its good to be surrounded by hard working and motivated people. You're point has no connection to inequality leading to a lower standard of living.
The person with R10 is unaffected by what anyone else has. How much wealth person A has will effect person A's standard of living, but how much wealth person B has will have no effect on person A's standard of living. The issue is how little person A has not how much person B has. Do you now understand why inequality doesn't effect a countries standard of living?
Perhaps learn how economies work before calling other people stupid. A company sells a loaf of bread for R5. There are 100 people with R10 who can by 100 loaves of bread for R500. There are 1000 people with R100 who can buy 1000 loaves of bread for R5000. For a total of R5500 for bread.
Now the company earns R10,000 from selling bread to just those people who earn R100. People with considerable wealth in the millions and billions are buying up residential homes, above asking, at an alarming pace.
So go on, remove pacifier from bek and fucking goo-goo ga-ga about how wealth inequality doesn't result in lower living standards for poor people. You're now conflating supply and demand with inequality. The issue in your example is once again that some people have too little.
It is in no way is an example of inequality being the issue. Small brain problems I guess. Also the housing market example you give involves large companies buying homes no individuals with lots of money. So once again it's not relevant to wealth inequality because obviously a large company where people have pooled their wealth will have more buying Where do most South African live in the UK? than individuals. It doesn't matter how much people have if there's people who have more and can pay more.
If you multiply each of the respective rand values in my example by 10 or 100, it doesn't matter, because the principle still remains the same. I'm done playing chess with pigeons, you'll just end up shitting all over the place.